Fair and Equal Ice-Time

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Re: Fair and Equal Ice-Time

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Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:42 pm
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:37 pm
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:17 pm
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:11 pm How can you control this?

Above the house league / local league level, it's competitive and should be coached and played as such. I'm not advocating for a player orline to sit the whole game but there are certain situations and times in the game where you shorten your bench or double shift a line.
With LiveBarn it should be fairly easy to hold that type of coach accountable. Shortening the bench in the last 3 or 4 minutes of a one goal game shouldn't ruffle anyone feathers. Beyond that, any coach that would let an 8 to 14 year old kid sit on the bench watching his teammates/friends play should face the full force of OHF discipline.
Too much work to review if there's a complaint. Those live barn cameras aren't good enough to see clearly what's going on. It's competitive hockey, sorry, you may not get equal ice time. You know this when you tryout. This is not something new.

I only have an issue is if a kid sits for most of the game and only takes a few shift.

In certain situations, coaches have full authority to make the decision to put out who they want on the ice. They aren't there to open the door and say, next 5 it's your turn.
It's not too much work at all. And live barn is good enough to see when one number only gets on the ice for 5 minutes of a game, especially if the parent puts together a few games worth of evidence. Sorry coach.
Or you could just have a rational discussion in person with the coach to explain your frustration and help understand why your kid is not playing. If that does not work, then you need to go to your association.

Kids are way to coddled these days.
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Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:39 pm
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:37 pm
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:24 pm I get that everyone should have a chance to play, and that's fair. But when it comes to competitive hockey, especially in important games like playoffs, it makes sense to play the stronger players more, especially in those crucial moments. We’re trying to win, and it’s not like house league where everyone gets equal time no matter what. Competitive hockey should be about strategy, and sometimes that means not everyone gets the same ice time in key moments.
It is about strategy. The strategy when coaching children is to give equatable ice time while ensuring your best players are on in pinnacle moments. Any idiot can just play his best players the majority of the time to win. If all coaches are following the same rules of play then it's a level playing field.
Sorry, we are talking about competitive hockey here, you have an advantage, you take it.

Next everyone will be getting a participation trophy at AAA!

You gotta take this as a life lesson, life is not fair, so why should hockey be any different?
Please research what “the advantage” is! 99% of the coaches and the parents believe the advantage is a better or more talented player is being used, interestingly science and data say it is just a more mature player being sent out. Additionally, when done frequently, the other athletes being held back 1. Begin to hate hockey 2. Quit the sport .

So for the sake of winning, you are okay with sending out an athlete who’s pituitary gland began working first, and you Are okay with your hand in having (potentially superior athletes) quit the sport.

Congratulations on your win! You are officially an indoctrinated “hockey coach” way to go!

At what point does a human being question the fact it “ it is how you win” that really speaks volumes of the character of true coach! Remember Lance Armstrong won lots of races!
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Re: Fair and Equal Ice-Time

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Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:19 am
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:39 pm
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:37 pm
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:24 pm I get that everyone should have a chance to play, and that's fair. But when it comes to competitive hockey, especially in important games like playoffs, it makes sense to play the stronger players more, especially in those crucial moments. We’re trying to win, and it’s not like house league where everyone gets equal time no matter what. Competitive hockey should be about strategy, and sometimes that means not everyone gets the same ice time in key moments.
It is about strategy. The strategy when coaching children is to give equatable ice time while ensuring your best players are on in pinnacle moments. Any idiot can just play his best players the majority of the time to win. If all coaches are following the same rules of play then it's a level playing field.
Sorry, we are talking about competitive hockey here, you have an advantage, you take it.

Next everyone will be getting a participation trophy at AAA!

You gotta take this as a life lesson, life is not fair, so why should hockey be any different?
Please research what “the advantage” is! 99% of the coaches and the parents believe the advantage is a better or more talented player is being used, interestingly science and data say it is just a more mature player being sent out. Additionally, when done frequently, the other athletes being held back 1. Begin to hate hockey 2. Quit the sport .

So for the sake of winning, you are okay with sending out an athlete who’s pituitary gland began working first, and you Are okay with your hand in having (potentially superior athletes) quit the sport.

Congratulations on your win! You are officially an indoctrinated “hockey coach” way to go!

At what point does a human being question the fact it “ it is how you win” that really speaks volumes of the character of true coach! Remember Lance Armstrong won lots of races!
When we are talking about competitive AAA level hockey, sorry but it is about winning and coaching to win. You have parents paying $4000+ and expect you to win. If you are winning and have 12 parents happy with you and 3 mad at you, that's a heckuva lot better than the opposite.

I am not talking about playing a kid or 2 for 3 minutes a game. If you made the team, you should be able to play a regular shift and the coach should be good enough to balance his lines.

If a coach is only playing 2 lines a game, those kids will get tired and you are going to start losing. A good coach will know how to utilize his whole team.

I hate to tell you this but kids aren't quitting the sport because they are held back. Kids who have a passion for hockey will continue to play and work through their struggles. The kids who quit just don't like playing hockey.

I am a coach at a lower level of hockey and over the years that I have been involved I would say that almost half do not want to be there. They are interested in things other than hockey but play because their dad signs them up or it's because it's what they think they should do.
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Re: Fair and Equal Ice-Time

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Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:30 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:19 am
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:39 pm
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:37 pm
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:24 pm I get that everyone should have a chance to play, and that's fair. But when it comes to competitive hockey, especially in important games like playoffs, it makes sense to play the stronger players more, especially in those crucial moments. We’re trying to win, and it’s not like house league where everyone gets equal time no matter what. Competitive hockey should be about strategy, and sometimes that means not everyone gets the same ice time in key moments.
It is about strategy. The strategy when coaching children is to give equatable ice time while ensuring your best players are on in pinnacle moments. Any idiot can just play his best players the majority of the time to win. If all coaches are following the same rules of play then it's a level playing field.
Sorry, we are talking about competitive hockey here, you have an advantage, you take it.

Next everyone will be getting a participation trophy at AAA!

You gotta take this as a life lesson, life is not fair, so why should hockey be any different?
Please research what “the advantage” is! 99% of the coaches and the parents believe the advantage is a better or more talented player is being used, interestingly science and data say it is just a more mature player being sent out. Additionally, when done frequently, the other athletes being held back 1. Begin to hate hockey 2. Quit the sport .

So for the sake of winning, you are okay with sending out an athlete who’s pituitary gland began working first, and you Are okay with your hand in having (potentially superior athletes) quit the sport.

Congratulations on your win! You are officially an indoctrinated “hockey coach” way to go!

At what point does a human being question the fact it “ it is how you win” that really speaks volumes of the character of true coach! Remember Lance Armstrong won lots of races!
When we are talking about competitive AAA level hockey, sorry but it is about winning and coaching to win. You have parents paying $4000+ and expect you to win. If you are winning and have 12 parents happy with you and 3 mad at you, that's a heckuva lot better than the opposite.

I am not talking about playing a kid or 2 for 3 minutes a game. If you made the team, you should be able to play a regular shift and the coach should be good enough to balance his lines.

If a coach is only playing 2 lines a game, those kids will get tired and you are going to start losing. A good coach will know how to utilize his whole team.

I hate to tell you this but kids aren't quitting the sport because they are held back. Kids who have a passion for hockey will continue to play and work through their struggles. The kids who quit just don't like playing hockey.

I am a coach at a lower level of hockey and over the years that I have been involved I would say that almost half do not want to be there. They are interested in things other than hockey but play because their dad signs them up or it's because it's what they think they should do.
Okay this is interesting, and please i want this conversation to be as civil as possible ....kids are in fact quitting b/c of this. 1. Sports sciences has 1000''s of studies that show this through hundreds of different sports, GLOBALLY! A coach with an apposing view of course would not want to accept that fact that they are responsible for having kids quit the sport.....if this was true it would make them a "bad person" so humans create another narrative that makes them feel good about themselves.

My good friend that went to the Quebec Peewee tournament at 13 and won it all, quit at 15, He was one of the top players in the tournament. He quit for this very reason, he grew late. I can attest he loved hockey more than anyone. Ironically, he switched sports, starting a new one at 16 and went on to be the best in Canada x5 and one of the best in the world.

Saying it is about Winning and coaching to win ..would you endorse PED's for your athlete's? Where is the line on winning? Bobby Clarke busting the ankle of the the best Russian Player....did they win?
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Re: Fair and Equal Ice-Time

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Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:51 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:30 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:19 am
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:39 pm
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:37 pm
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:24 pm I get that everyone should have a chance to play, and that's fair. But when it comes to competitive hockey, especially in important games like playoffs, it makes sense to play the stronger players more, especially in those crucial moments. We’re trying to win, and it’s not like house league where everyone gets equal time no matter what. Competitive hockey should be about strategy, and sometimes that means not everyone gets the same ice time in key moments.
It is about strategy. The strategy when coaching children is to give equatable ice time while ensuring your best players are on in pinnacle moments. Any idiot can just play his best players the majority of the time to win. If all coaches are following the same rules of play then it's a level playing field.
Sorry, we are talking about competitive hockey here, you have an advantage, you take it.

Next everyone will be getting a participation trophy at AAA!

You gotta take this as a life lesson, life is not fair, so why should hockey be any different?
Please research what “the advantage” is! 99% of the coaches and the parents believe the advantage is a better or more talented player is being used, interestingly science and data say it is just a more mature player being sent out. Additionally, when done frequently, the other athletes being held back 1. Begin to hate hockey 2. Quit the sport .

So for the sake of winning, you are okay with sending out an athlete who’s pituitary gland began working first, and you Are okay with your hand in having (potentially superior athletes) quit the sport.

Congratulations on your win! You are officially an indoctrinated “hockey coach” way to go!

At what point does a human being question the fact it “ it is how you win” that really speaks volumes of the character of true coach! Remember Lance Armstrong won lots of races!
When we are talking about competitive AAA level hockey, sorry but it is about winning and coaching to win. You have parents paying $4000+ and expect you to win. If you are winning and have 12 parents happy with you and 3 mad at you, that's a heckuva lot better than the opposite.

I am not talking about playing a kid or 2 for 3 minutes a game. If you made the team, you should be able to play a regular shift and the coach should be good enough to balance his lines.

If a coach is only playing 2 lines a game, those kids will get tired and you are going to start losing. A good coach will know how to utilize his whole team.

I hate to tell you this but kids aren't quitting the sport because they are held back. Kids who have a passion for hockey will continue to play and work through their struggles. The kids who quit just don't like playing hockey.

I am a coach at a lower level of hockey and over the years that I have been involved I would say that almost half do not want to be there. They are interested in things other than hockey but play because their dad signs them up or it's because it's what they think they should do.
Okay this is interesting, and please i want this conversation to be as civil as possible ....kids are in fact quitting b/c of this. 1. Sports sciences has 1000''s of studies that show this through hundreds of different sports, GLOBALLY! A coach with an apposing view of course would not want to accept that fact that they are responsible for having kids quit the sport.....if this was true it would make them a "bad person" so humans create another narrative that makes them feel good about themselves.

My good friend that went to the Quebec Peewee tournament at 13 and won it all, quit at 15, He was one of the top players in the tournament. He quit for this very reason, he grew late. I can attest he loved hockey more than anyone. Ironically, he switched sports, starting a new one at 16 and went on to be the best in Canada x5 and one of the best in the world.

Saying it is about Winning and coaching to win ..would you endorse PED's for your athlete's? Where is the line on winning? Bobby Clarke busting the ankle of the the best Russian Player....did they win?
Why has kids sports turned in to everything being fair and equal and you can't ruffle feathers and everyone gets a trophy and everyone should be happy to participate?

When you are paying $1000s of dollars, do you not want to win? Coaches at some levels are being paid, and if they want to keep that job, they need to win. A good coach will work with their team and come up with strategies to bring out the best skills in their players. Putting them in the right position. You have taken this a little to far with the PED comment. There is a scoreboard and what's on that scoreboard matters. Have your kid go play pick up somewhere if you don't think the score matters.

As for quitting, sure, coaches can have some responsibility but he can go elsewhere. He can change the situation. Why accept that you have to play for this guy? Did they talk to the association?

There a lot of reasons people quit and the majority quit not because of a coach but because of other interstests. (Other sports, girls, video games, hanging out with friends, etc)
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Re: Fair and Equal Ice-Time

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Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:00 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:51 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:30 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:19 am
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:39 pm
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:37 pm

It is about strategy. The strategy when coaching children is to give equatable ice time while ensuring your best players are on in pinnacle moments. Any idiot can just play his best players the majority of the time to win. If all coaches are following the same rules of play then it's a level playing field.
Sorry, we are talking about competitive hockey here, you have an advantage, you take it.

Next everyone will be getting a participation trophy at AAA!

You gotta take this as a life lesson, life is not fair, so why should hockey be any different?
Please research what “the advantage” is! 99% of the coaches and the parents believe the advantage is a better or more talented player is being used, interestingly science and data say it is just a more mature player being sent out. Additionally, when done frequently, the other athletes being held back 1. Begin to hate hockey 2. Quit the sport .

So for the sake of winning, you are okay with sending out an athlete who’s pituitary gland began working first, and you Are okay with your hand in having (potentially superior athletes) quit the sport.

Congratulations on your win! You are officially an indoctrinated “hockey coach” way to go!

At what point does a human being question the fact it “ it is how you win” that really speaks volumes of the character of true coach! Remember Lance Armstrong won lots of races!
When we are talking about competitive AAA level hockey, sorry but it is about winning and coaching to win. You have parents paying $4000+ and expect you to win. If you are winning and have 12 parents happy with you and 3 mad at you, that's a heckuva lot better than the opposite.

I am not talking about playing a kid or 2 for 3 minutes a game. If you made the team, you should be able to play a regular shift and the coach should be good enough to balance his lines.

If a coach is only playing 2 lines a game, those kids will get tired and you are going to start losing. A good coach will know how to utilize his whole team.

I hate to tell you this but kids aren't quitting the sport because they are held back. Kids who have a passion for hockey will continue to play and work through their struggles. The kids who quit just don't like playing hockey.

I am a coach at a lower level of hockey and over the years that I have been involved I would say that almost half do not want to be there. They are interested in things other than hockey but play because their dad signs them up or it's because it's what they think they should do.
Okay this is interesting, and please i want this conversation to be as civil as possible ....kids are in fact quitting b/c of this. 1. Sports sciences has 1000''s of studies that show this through hundreds of different sports, GLOBALLY! A coach with an apposing view of course would not want to accept that fact that they are responsible for having kids quit the sport.....if this was true it would make them a "bad person" so humans create another narrative that makes them feel good about themselves.

My good friend that went to the Quebec Peewee tournament at 13 and won it all, quit at 15, He was one of the top players in the tournament. He quit for this very reason, he grew late. I can attest he loved hockey more than anyone. Ironically, he switched sports, starting a new one at 16 and went on to be the best in Canada x5 and one of the best in the world.

Saying it is about Winning and coaching to win ..would you endorse PED's for your athlete's? Where is the line on winning? Bobby Clarke busting the ankle of the the best Russian Player....did they win?
Why has kids sports turned in to everything being fair and equal and you can't ruffle feathers and everyone gets a trophy and everyone should be happy to participate?

When you are paying $1000s of dollars, do you not want to win? Coaches at some levels are being paid, and if they want to keep that job, they need to win. A good coach will work with their team and come up with strategies to bring out the best skills in their players. Putting them in the right position. You have taken this a little to far with the PED comment. There is a scoreboard and what's on that scoreboard matters. Have your kid go play pick up somewhere if you don't think the score matters.

As for quitting, sure, coaches can have some responsibility but he can go elsewhere. He can change the situation. Why accept that you have to play for this guy? Did they talk to the association?

There a lot of reasons people quit and the majority quit not because of a coach but because of other interstests. (Other sports, girls, video games, hanging out with friends, etc)
"when you are paying 1000's of $$$, do you not want to win".......BINGO this is the whole reason....it is the parents paying thousands of dollars , you are correct, parents and coaches WANT TO WIN. Also backed by sports science, however what kids want (sport science data) they want to be in the action and be part of meaningful minutes ie they want to contribute! In fact 80% would rather be on a losing team and play then on. a winning team and sit.

The food for thought here is simple - WHO ARE WE DOING THIS FOR the kids or the parents and coaches? Let's be real!
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Re: Fair and Equal Ice-Time

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Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:10 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:00 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:51 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:30 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:19 am
Guest wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:39 pm

Sorry, we are talking about competitive hockey here, you have an advantage, you take it.

Next everyone will be getting a participation trophy at AAA!

You gotta take this as a life lesson, life is not fair, so why should hockey be any different?
Please research what “the advantage” is! 99% of the coaches and the parents believe the advantage is a better or more talented player is being used, interestingly science and data say it is just a more mature player being sent out. Additionally, when done frequently, the other athletes being held back 1. Begin to hate hockey 2. Quit the sport .

So for the sake of winning, you are okay with sending out an athlete who’s pituitary gland began working first, and you Are okay with your hand in having (potentially superior athletes) quit the sport.

Congratulations on your win! You are officially an indoctrinated “hockey coach” way to go!

At what point does a human being question the fact it “ it is how you win” that really speaks volumes of the character of true coach! Remember Lance Armstrong won lots of races!
When we are talking about competitive AAA level hockey, sorry but it is about winning and coaching to win. You have parents paying $4000+ and expect you to win. If you are winning and have 12 parents happy with you and 3 mad at you, that's a heckuva lot better than the opposite.

I am not talking about playing a kid or 2 for 3 minutes a game. If you made the team, you should be able to play a regular shift and the coach should be good enough to balance his lines.

If a coach is only playing 2 lines a game, those kids will get tired and you are going to start losing. A good coach will know how to utilize his whole team.

I hate to tell you this but kids aren't quitting the sport because they are held back. Kids who have a passion for hockey will continue to play and work through their struggles. The kids who quit just don't like playing hockey.

I am a coach at a lower level of hockey and over the years that I have been involved I would say that almost half do not want to be there. They are interested in things other than hockey but play because their dad signs them up or it's because it's what they think they should do.
Okay this is interesting, and please i want this conversation to be as civil as possible ....kids are in fact quitting b/c of this. 1. Sports sciences has 1000''s of studies that show this through hundreds of different sports, GLOBALLY! A coach with an apposing view of course would not want to accept that fact that they are responsible for having kids quit the sport.....if this was true it would make them a "bad person" so humans create another narrative that makes them feel good about themselves.

My good friend that went to the Quebec Peewee tournament at 13 and won it all, quit at 15, He was one of the top players in the tournament. He quit for this very reason, he grew late. I can attest he loved hockey more than anyone. Ironically, he switched sports, starting a new one at 16 and went on to be the best in Canada x5 and one of the best in the world.

Saying it is about Winning and coaching to win ..would you endorse PED's for your athlete's? Where is the line on winning? Bobby Clarke busting the ankle of the the best Russian Player....did they win?
Why has kids sports turned in to everything being fair and equal and you can't ruffle feathers and everyone gets a trophy and everyone should be happy to participate?

When you are paying $1000s of dollars, do you not want to win? Coaches at some levels are being paid, and if they want to keep that job, they need to win. A good coach will work with their team and come up with strategies to bring out the best skills in their players. Putting them in the right position. You have taken this a little to far with the PED comment. There is a scoreboard and what's on that scoreboard matters. Have your kid go play pick up somewhere if you don't think the score matters.

As for quitting, sure, coaches can have some responsibility but he can go elsewhere. He can change the situation. Why accept that you have to play for this guy? Did they talk to the association?

There a lot of reasons people quit and the majority quit not because of a coach but because of other interstests. (Other sports, girls, video games, hanging out with friends, etc)
"when you are paying 1000's of $$$, do you not want to win".......BINGO this is the whole reason....it is the parents paying thousands of dollars , you are correct, parents and coaches WANT TO WIN. Also backed by sports science, however what kids want (sport science data) they want to be in the action and be part of meaningful minutes ie they want to contribute! In fact 80% would rather be on a losing team and play then on. a winning team and sit.

The food for thought here is simple - WHO ARE WE DOING THIS FOR the kids or the parents and coaches? Let's be real!
in terms of why they are quitting, b/c they can "go elsewhere". They are quitting b/c an adult as told them (via holding them back) that they are not very good at hockey! Kids psychology is very black and white (why we have the young offenders act). Their brains have not developed the abstract ability that would question an adult as being wrong and yes go somewhere else. It is important not to apply ADULT rational, that is why education in developmental sports during G&D is so critical!
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Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:24 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:10 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:00 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:51 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:30 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:19 am

Please research what “the advantage” is! 99% of the coaches and the parents believe the advantage is a better or more talented player is being used, interestingly science and data say it is just a more mature player being sent out. Additionally, when done frequently, the other athletes being held back 1. Begin to hate hockey 2. Quit the sport .

So for the sake of winning, you are okay with sending out an athlete who’s pituitary gland began working first, and you Are okay with your hand in having (potentially superior athletes) quit the sport.

Congratulations on your win! You are officially an indoctrinated “hockey coach” way to go!

At what point does a human being question the fact it “ it is how you win” that really speaks volumes of the character of true coach! Remember Lance Armstrong won lots of races!
When we are talking about competitive AAA level hockey, sorry but it is about winning and coaching to win. You have parents paying $4000+ and expect you to win. If you are winning and have 12 parents happy with you and 3 mad at you, that's a heckuva lot better than the opposite.

I am not talking about playing a kid or 2 for 3 minutes a game. If you made the team, you should be able to play a regular shift and the coach should be good enough to balance his lines.

If a coach is only playing 2 lines a game, those kids will get tired and you are going to start losing. A good coach will know how to utilize his whole team.

I hate to tell you this but kids aren't quitting the sport because they are held back. Kids who have a passion for hockey will continue to play and work through their struggles. The kids who quit just don't like playing hockey.

I am a coach at a lower level of hockey and over the years that I have been involved I would say that almost half do not want to be there. They are interested in things other than hockey but play because their dad signs them up or it's because it's what they think they should do.
Okay this is interesting, and please i want this conversation to be as civil as possible ....kids are in fact quitting b/c of this. 1. Sports sciences has 1000''s of studies that show this through hundreds of different sports, GLOBALLY! A coach with an apposing view of course would not want to accept that fact that they are responsible for having kids quit the sport.....if this was true it would make them a "bad person" so humans create another narrative that makes them feel good about themselves.

My good friend that went to the Quebec Peewee tournament at 13 and won it all, quit at 15, He was one of the top players in the tournament. He quit for this very reason, he grew late. I can attest he loved hockey more than anyone. Ironically, he switched sports, starting a new one at 16 and went on to be the best in Canada x5 and one of the best in the world.

Saying it is about Winning and coaching to win ..would you endorse PED's for your athlete's? Where is the line on winning? Bobby Clarke busting the ankle of the the best Russian Player....did they win?
Why has kids sports turned in to everything being fair and equal and you can't ruffle feathers and everyone gets a trophy and everyone should be happy to participate?

When you are paying $1000s of dollars, do you not want to win? Coaches at some levels are being paid, and if they want to keep that job, they need to win. A good coach will work with their team and come up with strategies to bring out the best skills in their players. Putting them in the right position. You have taken this a little to far with the PED comment. There is a scoreboard and what's on that scoreboard matters. Have your kid go play pick up somewhere if you don't think the score matters.

As for quitting, sure, coaches can have some responsibility but he can go elsewhere. He can change the situation. Why accept that you have to play for this guy? Did they talk to the association?

There a lot of reasons people quit and the majority quit not because of a coach but because of other interstests. (Other sports, girls, video games, hanging out with friends, etc)
"when you are paying 1000's of $$$, do you not want to win".......BINGO this is the whole reason....it is the parents paying thousands of dollars , you are correct, parents and coaches WANT TO WIN. Also backed by sports science, however what kids want (sport science data) they want to be in the action and be part of meaningful minutes ie they want to contribute! In fact 80% would rather be on a losing team and play then on. a winning team and sit.

The food for thought here is simple - WHO ARE WE DOING THIS FOR the kids or the parents and coaches? Let's be real!
in terms of why they are quitting, b/c they can "go elsewhere". They are quitting b/c an adult as told them (via holding them back) that they are not very good at hockey! Kids psychology is very black and white (why we have the young offenders act). Their brains have not developed the abstract ability that would question an adult as being wrong and yes go somewhere else. It is important not to apply ADULT rational, that is why education in developmental sports during G&D is so critical!
Yes this is correct. And even though this seems simple, most parents and a few bad coaches are not able to understand this.
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Any coach that doesn’t play my son will be having a “little chat” in the parking lot if you know what I mean.
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Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:40 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:24 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:10 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:00 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:51 am
Guest wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:30 am

When we are talking about competitive AAA level hockey, sorry but it is about winning and coaching to win. You have parents paying $4000+ and expect you to win. If you are winning and have 12 parents happy with you and 3 mad at you, that's a heckuva lot better than the opposite.

I am not talking about playing a kid or 2 for 3 minutes a game. If you made the team, you should be able to play a regular shift and the coach should be good enough to balance his lines.

If a coach is only playing 2 lines a game, those kids will get tired and you are going to start losing. A good coach will know how to utilize his whole team.

I hate to tell you this but kids aren't quitting the sport because they are held back. Kids who have a passion for hockey will continue to play and work through their struggles. The kids who quit just don't like playing hockey.

I am a coach at a lower level of hockey and over the years that I have been involved I would say that almost half do not want to be there. They are interested in things other than hockey but play because their dad signs them up or it's because it's what they think they should do.
Okay this is interesting, and please i want this conversation to be as civil as possible ....kids are in fact quitting b/c of this. 1. Sports sciences has 1000''s of studies that show this through hundreds of different sports, GLOBALLY! A coach with an apposing view of course would not want to accept that fact that they are responsible for having kids quit the sport.....if this was true it would make them a "bad person" so humans create another narrative that makes them feel good about themselves.

My good friend that went to the Quebec Peewee tournament at 13 and won it all, quit at 15, He was one of the top players in the tournament. He quit for this very reason, he grew late. I can attest he loved hockey more than anyone. Ironically, he switched sports, starting a new one at 16 and went on to be the best in Canada x5 and one of the best in the world.

Saying it is about Winning and coaching to win ..would you endorse PED's for your athlete's? Where is the line on winning? Bobby Clarke busting the ankle of the the best Russian Player....did they win?
Why has kids sports turned in to everything being fair and equal and you can't ruffle feathers and everyone gets a trophy and everyone should be happy to participate?

When you are paying $1000s of dollars, do you not want to win? Coaches at some levels are being paid, and if they want to keep that job, they need to win. A good coach will work with their team and come up with strategies to bring out the best skills in their players. Putting them in the right position. You have taken this a little to far with the PED comment. There is a scoreboard and what's on that scoreboard matters. Have your kid go play pick up somewhere if you don't think the score matters.

As for quitting, sure, coaches can have some responsibility but he can go elsewhere. He can change the situation. Why accept that you have to play for this guy? Did they talk to the association?

There a lot of reasons people quit and the majority quit not because of a coach but because of other interstests. (Other sports, girls, video games, hanging out with friends, etc)
"when you are paying 1000's of $$$, do you not want to win".......BINGO this is the whole reason....it is the parents paying thousands of dollars , you are correct, parents and coaches WANT TO WIN. Also backed by sports science, however what kids want (sport science data) they want to be in the action and be part of meaningful minutes ie they want to contribute! In fact 80% would rather be on a losing team and play then on. a winning team and sit.

The food for thought here is simple - WHO ARE WE DOING THIS FOR the kids or the parents and coaches? Let's be real!
in terms of why they are quitting, b/c they can "go elsewhere". They are quitting b/c an adult as told them (via holding them back) that they are not very good at hockey! Kids psychology is very black and white (why we have the young offenders act). Their brains have not developed the abstract ability that would question an adult as being wrong and yes go somewhere else. It is important not to apply ADULT rational, that is why education in developmental sports during G&D is so critical!
Yes this is correct. And even though this seems simple, most parents and a few bad coaches are not able to understand this.
Unfortunately it is more then a few bad coaches....we are currently in the midst of AAA hockey and it is roughly 90% of the coaches. It is way out of control, and unbelievable that there is no oversight!
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