Minor Hockey Talks - Hockey Forum

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:37 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:24 pm I get that everyone should have a chance to play, and that's fair. But when it comes to competitive hockey, especially in important games like playoffs, it makes sense to play the stronger players more, especially in those crucial moments. We’re trying to win, and it’s not like house league where everyone gets equal time no matter what. Competitive hockey should be about strategy, and sometimes that means not everyone gets the same ice time in key moments.

It is about strategy. The strategy when coaching children is to give equatable ice time while ensuring your best players are on in pinnacle moments. Any idiot can just play his best players the majority of the time to win. If all coaches are following the same rules of play then it's a level playing field.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:11 pm How can you control this?

Above the house league / local league level, it's competitive and should be coached and played as such. I'm not advocating for a player orline to sit the whole game but there are certain situations and times in the game where you shorten your bench or double shift a line.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:02 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:55 pm This was recently sent to minor hockey associations in Ontario. Has anyone followed up with OHF? Thoughts?

> To all Ontario minor hockey associations, their coaches, players, parents, and other members:
>
> The Ontario Hockey Federation (OHF) has recently ruled on a complaint against a Waterloo Wolves AAA team.
> The ruling states that the Fair and Equal Ice-Time principles published in Hockey Canada's Canadian Player Pathway apply to all levels of
> hockey (local league to AAA) for the age groups up to U15.
> These principles are:
> - Fair and equal ice time is designed to ensure that all players get the same opportunity to
> contribute to the outcome of games, regardless of skill or ability.
> - A coach’s responsibility is to develop all players to contribute.
> - Shortening of the bench in an attempt to win games is not permitted.
> - All players and goaltenders should receive fair and as close to equal as possible ice time.
>
> Coaches who violate these principles could be subject to disciplinary measures.
>
> Please distribute this information within your association.
> If there are any questions or concerns, please reach out to Phil McKee (OHF Executive Director).

Is there a link to this? Or a link to the complaint about Waterloo?

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:55 pm This was recently sent to minor hockey associations in Ontario. Has anyone followed up with OHF? Thoughts?

> To all Ontario minor hockey associations, their coaches, players, parents, and other members:
>
> The Ontario Hockey Federation (OHF) has recently ruled on a complaint against a Waterloo Wolves AAA team.
> The ruling states that the Fair and Equal Ice-Time principles published in Hockey Canada's Canadian Player Pathway apply to all levels of
> hockey (local league to AAA) for the age groups up to U15.
> These principles are:
> - Fair and equal ice time is designed to ensure that all players get the same opportunity to
> contribute to the outcome of games, regardless of skill or ability.
> - A coach’s responsibility is to develop all players to contribute.
> - Shortening of the bench in an attempt to win games is not permitted.
> - All players and goaltenders should receive fair and as close to equal as possible ice time.
>
> Coaches who violate these principles could be subject to disciplinary measures.
>
> Please distribute this information within your association.
> If there are any questions or concerns, please reach out to Phil McKee (OHF Executive Director).

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:54 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:02 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:55 pm This was recently sent to minor hockey associations in Ontario. Has anyone followed up with OHF? Thoughts?

> To all Ontario minor hockey associations, their coaches, players, parents, and other members:
>
> The Ontario Hockey Federation (OHF) has recently ruled on a complaint against a Waterloo Wolves AAA team.
> The ruling states that the Fair and Equal Ice-Time principles published in Hockey Canada's Canadian Player Pathway apply to all levels of
> hockey (local league to AAA) for the age groups up to U15.
> These principles are:
> - Fair and equal ice time is designed to ensure that all players get the same opportunity to
> contribute to the outcome of games, regardless of skill or ability.
> - A coach’s responsibility is to develop all players to contribute.
> - Shortening of the bench in an attempt to win games is not permitted.
> - All players and goaltenders should receive fair and as close to equal as possible ice time.
>
> Coaches who violate these principles could be subject to disciplinary measures.
>
> Please distribute this information within your association.
> If there are any questions or concerns, please reach out to Phil McKee (OHF Executive Director).

Is there a link to this? Or a link to the complaint about Waterloo?

It only applies to U10 and U11, read the rules

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:37 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:17 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:11 pm How can you control this?

Above the house league / local league level, it's competitive and should be coached and played as such. I'm not advocating for a player orline to sit the whole game but there are certain situations and times in the game where you shorten your bench or double shift a line.

With LiveBarn it should be fairly easy to hold that type of coach accountable. Shortening the bench in the last 3 or 4 minutes of a one goal game shouldn't ruffle anyone feathers. Beyond that, any coach that would let an 8 to 14 year old kid sit on the bench watching his teammates/friends play should face the full force of OHF discipline.

Too much work to review if there's a complaint. Those live barn cameras aren't good enough to see clearly what's going on. It's competitive hockey, sorry, you may not get equal ice time. You know this when you tryout. This is not something new.

I only have an issue is if a kid sits for most of the game and only takes a few shift.

In certain situations, coaches have full authority to make the decision to put out who they want on the ice. They aren't there to open the door and say, next 5 it's your turn.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:46 pm this is dumb.
A kid takes 4 stupid penalties his butt is sitting. A kid tells a coach to fk off, his butt is sitting. Your superstar puck hog takes a 6 min shift, he's sitting. Some kid who's working hard, listening, taking short shifts and having a great game!. Front of the line. You dont like it, go play elsewhere. OHF trying to act like they dont know this already. These rules are to appease the snowflake parents. Consequences breeds reactions. Hard work breeds action and reward. Shall we remove the score clocks next? When you go into the real world it's competitive and there is consequences. Teaching hard work and discipline and to earn your ice time is not a bad thing.

Funny school sports dont roll this way. Coaches coach to win. With no questions asked. To bad they didnt roll that way in the classroom though.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:46 pm this is dumb.
A kid takes 4 stupid penalties his butt is sitting. A kid tells a coach to fk off, his butt is sitting. Your superstar puck hog takes a 6 min shift, he's sitting. Some kid who's working hard, listening, taking short shifts and having a great game!. Front of the line. You dont like it, go play elsewhere. OHF trying to act like they dont know this already. These rules are to appease the snowflake parents. Consequences breeds reactions. Hard work breeds action and reward. Shall we remove the score clocks next? When you go into the real world it's competitive and there is consequences. Teaching hard work and discipline and to earn your ice time is not a bad thing.

Funny school sports dont roll this way. Coaches coach to win. With no questions asked. To bad they didnt roll that way in the classroom though.

Why are you conflating coaches giving consequences with fair ice time? No one is saying anything about a player getting benched for telling to the coach to F off. They're talking about players getting benched for not being as good as other players. It's not that hard to understand. And no, coaches aren't only there to win, they're there to develop our ALL of our kids into better hockey players. I'm all for earning ice time. Show up to every practice. Work hard. Be a good teammate. Respect your coaches. If you're 10 years old and you do all that, you get ice time and you shouldn't lose it because teammate Johnny had a growth spurt before you did.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:39 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:46 pm this is dumb.
A kid takes 4 stupid penalties his butt is sitting. A kid tells a coach to fk off, his butt is sitting. Your superstar puck hog takes a 6 min shift, he's sitting. Some kid who's working hard, listening, taking short shifts and having a great game!. Front of the line. You dont like it, go play elsewhere. OHF trying to act like they dont know this already. These rules are to appease the snowflake parents. Consequences breeds reactions. Hard work breeds action and reward. Shall we remove the score clocks next? When you go into the real world it's competitive and there is consequences. Teaching hard work and discipline and to earn your ice time is not a bad thing.

Funny school sports dont roll this way. Coaches coach to win. With no questions asked. To bad they didnt roll that way in the classroom though.

Why are you conflating coaches giving consequences with fair ice time? No one is saying anything about a player getting benched for telling to the coach to F off. They're talking about players getting benched for not being as good as other players. It's not that hard to understand. And no, coaches aren't only there to win, they're there to develop our ALL of our kids into better hockey players. I'm all for earning ice time. Show up to every practice. Work hard. Be a good teammate. Respect your coaches. If you're 10 years old and you do all that, you get ice time and you shouldn't lose it because teammate Johnny had a growth spurt before you did.

I get that earning ice time is important, but on my son's 2009 AA team, it’s all about who the coach likes, not how good you are. Doesn’t matter if you score 50 goals or if you're a solid player, if you aren’t one of his favorites, you’ll be sitting.