Minor Hockey Talks - Hockey Forum

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:08 am I would love to help out while my kids play here, but there are some realities here: (1) They don't want outsiders (2) I, personally, don't want to get in the middle of a war between OMHA and this board - I have a job - ha

What the association really needs is a good governance model with max terms on the board, many many associations have this in place. It has been recommended to them, but they actually went the other way and made it easier to stay on longer. They actually allow for conflicts of interest within the bylaws - I'm not kidding you can check that.

The board are all generally nice people, unfortunately developing a good governance model requires a lot self-awareness and a professional acumen. We see this in big companies all the time, people get in over their head and are not able to take criticism even if it is designed to help. This is why they lash out and only put people in place they "trust". A good model would ratify "trust" through multiple generations of a board.

The children would benefit from a few professional moms and dads getting involved (if they were allowed) and putting together a functional governance model that doesn't assume the people in place are now, and will always be the best face of the organization (if they ever were in the first place).

good luck y'all.

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:15 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:08 am I would love to help out while my kids play here, but there are some realities here: (1) They don't want outsiders (2) I, personally, don't want to get in the middle of a war between OMHA and this board - I have a job - ha

What the association really needs is a good governance model with max terms on the board, many many associations have this in place. It has been recommended to them, but they actually went the other way and made it easier to stay on longer. They actually allow for conflicts of interest within the bylaws - I'm not kidding you can check that.

The board are all generally nice people, unfortunately developing a good governance model requires a lot self-awareness and a professional acumen. We see this in big companies all the time, people get in over their head and are not able to take criticism even if it is designed to help. This is why they lash out and only put people in place they "trust". A good model would ratify "trust" through multiple generations of a board.

The children would benefit from a few professional moms and dads getting involved (if they were allowed) and putting together a functional governance model that doesn't assume the people in place are now, and will always be the best face of the organization (if they ever were in the first place).

good luck y'all.

Can it even be salvaged at this point?

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:07 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:45 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:16 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:43 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:28 am Ok we get it.

Does anyone have any ideas if borders don't open how the parents can turn the association into a functional and democratic institution serving the development of the kids? Right now, the current board can (and does) block all newcomers or dissenting voices.

That's the million dollar question... other than complaining to the OMHA and Hockey Canada enough so they launch an investigation, I'm at a loss. find a way to play somewhere else, albeit not really legal, but Aurora parents are stuck.

The system is set up you to continue to have to use them for minor hockey.

Hopefully with open borders, it would solve a lot of the issues you are having with them.

These boards are all locked down tight and with restrictions in place, you have nowhere else to go. Doesn't matter how many loud voices you bring with you to the table, your complaints fall on deaf ears. The way to really make people think is to see registrations drop off significantly. That's the only way to really enact change. As long as people are buying their crappy product, nothing will change.

Even if open borders happen, it would be great to see Aurora hockey stay put. This current setup is not conducive to turning the ship around, not how to do this without putting your own kids in harms way. This association is the case study OHF & OMHA should be looking at - addresses are actually putting 1000 families in hockey prison.

So true, and been that way for years. The executive does not give a rats ass about the players or families. They won't listen to any collective concerns but instead rally their wagons and bully the families into submission or their kid pays the price on the bench or at tryouts. They sell "hometown hockey" in Aurora but believe me, there are a good number backroom deals to friends and families going on in the association. And don't forget the kickbacks - remember when you could only get team banners made by the former president's brother's company? They were the only approved supplier. Where there is one deal like that it's not hard to know there are other shady deals going on.

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:29 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:07 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:45 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:16 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:43 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:28 am Ok we get it.

Does anyone have any ideas if borders don't open how the parents can turn the association into a functional and democratic institution serving the development of the kids? Right now, the current board can (and does) block all newcomers or dissenting voices.

That's the million dollar question... other than complaining to the OMHA and Hockey Canada enough so they launch an investigation, I'm at a loss. find a way to play somewhere else, albeit not really legal, but Aurora parents are stuck.

The system is set up you to continue to have to use them for minor hockey.

Hopefully with open borders, it would solve a lot of the issues you are having with them.

These boards are all locked down tight and with restrictions in place, you have nowhere else to go. Doesn't matter how many loud voices you bring with you to the table, your complaints fall on deaf ears. The way to really make people think is to see registrations drop off significantly. That's the only way to really enact change. As long as people are buying their crappy product, nothing will change.

Even if open borders happen, it would be great to see Aurora hockey stay put. This current setup is not conducive to turning the ship around, not how to do this without putting your own kids in harms way. This association is the case study OHF & OMHA should be looking at - addresses are actually putting 1000 families in hockey prison.

So true, and been that way for years. The executive does not give a rats ass about the players or families. They won't listen to any collective concerns but instead rally their wagons and bully the families into submission or their kid pays the price on the bench or at tryouts. They sell "hometown hockey" in Aurora but believe me, there are a good number backroom deals to friends and families going on in the association. And don't forget the kickbacks - remember when you could only get team banners made by the former president's brother's company? They were the only approved supplier. Where there is one deal like that it's not hard to know there are other shady deals going on.

lol - they actually made rep coaches sign a contract that they would only get their printing done by that supplier or face removal as head coach. The prices were not competitive. Our team did printing outside to save the parents some money and they lost their mind. Not sure if deal will still be in place with new guy.

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 1:44 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:29 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:07 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:45 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:16 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:43 am

That's the million dollar question... other than complaining to the OMHA and Hockey Canada enough so they launch an investigation, I'm at a loss. find a way to play somewhere else, albeit not really legal, but Aurora parents are stuck.

The system is set up you to continue to have to use them for minor hockey.

Hopefully with open borders, it would solve a lot of the issues you are having with them.

These boards are all locked down tight and with restrictions in place, you have nowhere else to go. Doesn't matter how many loud voices you bring with you to the table, your complaints fall on deaf ears. The way to really make people think is to see registrations drop off significantly. That's the only way to really enact change. As long as people are buying their crappy product, nothing will change.

Even if open borders happen, it would be great to see Aurora hockey stay put. This current setup is not conducive to turning the ship around, not how to do this without putting your own kids in harms way. This association is the case study OHF & OMHA should be looking at - addresses are actually putting 1000 families in hockey prison.

So true, and been that way for years. The executive does not give a rats ass about the players or families. They won't listen to any collective concerns but instead rally their wagons and bully the families into submission or their kid pays the price on the bench or at tryouts. They sell "hometown hockey" in Aurora but believe me, there are a good number backroom deals to friends and families going on in the association. And don't forget the kickbacks - remember when you could only get team banners made by the former president's brother's company? They were the only approved supplier. Where there is one deal like that it's not hard to know there are other shady deals going on.

lol - they actually made rep coaches sign a contract that they would only get their printing done by that supplier or face removal as head coach. The prices were not competitive. Our team did printing outside to save the parents some money and they lost their mind. Not sure if deal will still be in place with new guy.

Nobody is willingly giving up their spot on the kickback gravy train.
Judging by the number of concerns and complaints on this thread it sounds like a case of "new guy, same old problems". But not to worry - according to their website and social media pages they are inviting members to "Meet Your AMHA Board of Directors". Apparently they want to improve the program, support members and listen to their ideas. If I was a hopeful person I would hope that the feedback doesn't go in one year and out the other, but that is the track record AMHA has been working with for years - say all the right things but no real intention to change anything that doesn't benefit the executive.

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 9:54 am

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 1:44 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:29 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:07 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:45 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:16 pm

The system is set up you to continue to have to use them for minor hockey.

Hopefully with open borders, it would solve a lot of the issues you are having with them.

These boards are all locked down tight and with restrictions in place, you have nowhere else to go. Doesn't matter how many loud voices you bring with you to the table, your complaints fall on deaf ears. The way to really make people think is to see registrations drop off significantly. That's the only way to really enact change. As long as people are buying their crappy product, nothing will change.

Even if open borders happen, it would be great to see Aurora hockey stay put. This current setup is not conducive to turning the ship around, not how to do this without putting your own kids in harms way. This association is the case study OHF & OMHA should be looking at - addresses are actually putting 1000 families in hockey prison.

So true, and been that way for years. The executive does not give a rats ass about the players or families. They won't listen to any collective concerns but instead rally their wagons and bully the families into submission or their kid pays the price on the bench or at tryouts. They sell "hometown hockey" in Aurora but believe me, there are a good number backroom deals to friends and families going on in the association. And don't forget the kickbacks - remember when you could only get team banners made by the former president's brother's company? They were the only approved supplier. Where there is one deal like that it's not hard to know there are other shady deals going on.

lol - they actually made rep coaches sign a contract that they would only get their printing done by that supplier or face removal as head coach. The prices were not competitive. Our team did printing outside to save the parents some money and they lost their mind. Not sure if deal will still be in place with new guy.

Nobody is willingly giving up their spot on the kickback gravy train.
Judging by the number of concerns and complaints on this thread it sounds like a case of "new guy, same old problems". But not to worry - according to their website and social media pages they are inviting members to "Meet Your AMHA Board of Directors". Apparently they want to improve the program, support members and listen to their ideas. If I was a hopeful person I would hope that the feedback doesn't go in one year and out the other, but that is the track record AMHA has been working with for years - say all the right things but no real intention to change anything that doesn't benefit the executive.

LMFAO the board of directors in their fancy new grey jackets, that I'm sure we all paid for with the increase in our rep fees. They don't care what we have to say. If anyone is brave enough to bring up an issue they'll just have him labeled as a trouble parent and make his like in the AMHA hell.

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 5:03 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 9:54 am

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 1:44 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:29 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:07 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:45 pm

Even if open borders happen, it would be great to see Aurora hockey stay put. This current setup is not conducive to turning the ship around, not how to do this without putting your own kids in harms way. This association is the case study OHF & OMHA should be looking at - addresses are actually putting 1000 families in hockey prison.

So true, and been that way for years. The executive does not give a rats ass about the players or families. They won't listen to any collective concerns but instead rally their wagons and bully the families into submission or their kid pays the price on the bench or at tryouts. They sell "hometown hockey" in Aurora but believe me, there are a good number backroom deals to friends and families going on in the association. And don't forget the kickbacks - remember when you could only get team banners made by the former president's brother's company? They were the only approved supplier. Where there is one deal like that it's not hard to know there are other shady deals going on.

lol - they actually made rep coaches sign a contract that they would only get their printing done by that supplier or face removal as head coach. The prices were not competitive. Our team did printing outside to save the parents some money and they lost their mind. Not sure if deal will still be in place with new guy.

Nobody is willingly giving up their spot on the kickback gravy train.
Judging by the number of concerns and complaints on this thread it sounds like a case of "new guy, same old problems". But not to worry - according to their website and social media pages they are inviting members to "Meet Your AMHA Board of Directors". Apparently they want to improve the program, support members and listen to their ideas. If I was a hopeful person I would hope that the feedback doesn't go in one year and out the other, but that is the track record AMHA has been working with for years - say all the right things but no real intention to change anything that doesn't benefit the executive.

LMFAO the board of directors in their fancy new grey jackets, that I'm sure we all paid for with the increase in our rep fees. They don't care what we have to say. If anyone is brave enough to bring up an issue they'll just have him labeled as a trouble parent and make his like in the AMHA hell.

As grown up adults, why do they need new winter coats every year?