Stacking teams/superteams

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Re: Stacking teams/superteams

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Having a kid be on a superteam has some obvious advantages like winning and attention which has become what hockey is all about for many.

I wonder how some of these kids will end up in the long run. They have it all handed to them at a young age. They're really not even working hard (what 10 really does??) They just happen to be good at hockey and mom and dad keeps throwing them on the best team they can find.
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Guest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:27 am Having a kid be on a superteam has some obvious advantages like winning and attention which has become what hockey is all about for many.

I wonder how some of these kids will end up in the long run. They have it all handed to them at a young age. They're really not even working hard (what 10 really does??) They just happen to be good at hockey and mom and dad keeps throwing them on the best team they can find.

It will hurt them in every way.

-development long term will suffer
-ability to be resilient will be non existent
-coping with losing won't exist
-figuring out why you lost, how to over come and be better, not learned
-being pushed to be your best doesn't exist
-finding another gear you didn't know you had won't happen
-entitlement will set in with negative results
-parents become entitled too and when the bubble bursts, they can't cope
-elite talent when it matters comes from the grind, being pushed, wanting to be pushed, following a process etc.

Wait until these kids fail, which they eventually will, or get held back to given a pile of crap for performance at some point! It may be in hockey, school or work, and they'll be lost.
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+1

I get it, some kids are better than others - but throwing them all on the same teams at 9/10/11 seems foolish.
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Guest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:22 am
Guest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:27 am Having a kid be on a superteam has some obvious advantages like winning and attention which has become what hockey is all about for many.

I wonder how some of these kids will end up in the long run. They have it all handed to them at a young age. They're really not even working hard (what 10 really does??) They just happen to be good at hockey and mom and dad keeps throwing them on the best team they can find.

It will hurt them in every way.

-development long term will suffer
-ability to be resilient will be non existent
-coping with losing won't exist
-figuring out why you lost, how to over come and be better, not learned
-being pushed to be your best doesn't exist
-finding another gear you didn't know you had won't happen
-entitlement will set in with negative results
-parents become entitled too and when the bubble bursts, they can't cope
-elite talent when it matters comes from the grind, being pushed, wanting to be pushed, following a process etc.

Wait until these kids fail, which they eventually will, or get held back to given a pile of crap for performance at some point! It may be in hockey, school or work, and they'll be lost.
All well said. This is exactly where the G, Organization and Boards need to step in and STOP super team. If kid is not from community, if team is winning more than 2/3 of games, if team is not promoting equal ice time opportunity .. STEP in and make changes. Go back to mission of the Organization and correct. Hopefully coaches and parents see the light per above.
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Guest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:22 am
Guest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:27 am Having a kid be on a superteam has some obvious advantages like winning and attention which has become what hockey is all about for many.

I wonder how some of these kids will end up in the long run. They have it all handed to them at a young age. They're really not even working hard (what 10 really does??) They just happen to be good at hockey and mom and dad keeps throwing them on the best team they can find.

It will hurt them in every way.

-development long term will suffer
-ability to be resilient will be non existent
-coping with losing won't exist
-figuring out why you lost, how to over come and be better, not learned
-being pushed to be your best doesn't exist
-finding another gear you didn't know you had won't happen
-entitlement will set in with negative results
-parents become entitled too and when the bubble bursts, they can't cope
-elite talent when it matters comes from the grind, being pushed, wanting to be pushed, following a process etc.

Wait until these kids fail, which they eventually will, or get held back to given a pile of crap for performance at some point! It may be in hockey, school or work, and they'll be lost.
Hmmmm not so sure it mores that way. Who is the greatest athlete in Canada right now?

She never lost a race in her life, until she hit her first Olympic at 14 and she had to race the stars of the world. That was a massive learning experience and she came back even better!
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Guest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:39 am
Guest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:22 am
Guest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:27 am Having a kid be on a superteam has some obvious advantages like winning and attention which has become what hockey is all about for many.

I wonder how some of these kids will end up in the long run. They have it all handed to them at a young age. They're really not even working hard (what 10 really does??) They just happen to be good at hockey and mom and dad keeps throwing them on the best team they can find.

It will hurt them in every way.

-development long term will suffer
-ability to be resilient will be non existent
-coping with losing won't exist
-figuring out why you lost, how to over come and be better, not learned
-being pushed to be your best doesn't exist
-finding another gear you didn't know you had won't happen
-entitlement will set in with negative results
-parents become entitled too and when the bubble bursts, they can't cope
-elite talent when it matters comes from the grind, being pushed, wanting to be pushed, following a process etc.

Wait until these kids fail, which they eventually will, or get held back to given a pile of crap for performance at some point! It may be in hockey, school or work, and they'll be lost.
Hmmmm not so sure it mores that way. Who is the greatest athlete in Canada right now?

She never lost a race in her life, until she hit her first Olympic at 14 and she had to race the stars of the world. That was a massive learning experience and she came back even better!
Running is an individual sport...entirely different than a team sport like hockey.
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Guest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:38 am
Guest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:22 am
Guest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:27 am Having a kid be on a superteam has some obvious advantages like winning and attention which has become what hockey is all about for many.

I wonder how some of these kids will end up in the long run. They have it all handed to them at a young age. They're really not even working hard (what 10 really does??) They just happen to be good at hockey and mom and dad keeps throwing them on the best team they can find.

It will hurt them in every way.

-development long term will suffer
-ability to be resilient will be non existent
-coping with losing won't exist
-figuring out why you lost, how to over come and be better, not learned
-being pushed to be your best doesn't exist
-finding another gear you didn't know you had won't happen
-entitlement will set in with negative results
-parents become entitled too and when the bubble bursts, they can't cope
-elite talent when it matters comes from the grind, being pushed, wanting to be pushed, following a process etc.

Wait until these kids fail, which they eventually will, or get held back to given a pile of crap for performance at some point! It may be in hockey, school or work, and they'll be lost.
All well said. This is exactly where the G, Organization and Boards need to step in and STOP super team. If kid is not from community, if team is winning more than 2/3 of games, if team is not promoting equal ice time opportunity .. STEP in and make changes. Go back to mission of the Organization and correct. Hopefully coaches and parents see the light per above.
so true. We are very happy with the team our kid is on but I am so tired of seeing families move their 9 or 10 year old to other parts of the country to get on a better hockey team and create drama. Once someone claims residency somewhere there's nothing any board can do about it. Some of the kids that grow up in the area don't stand a chance to make a team with all the movement. This is youth hockey, not the NHL.
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you have no clue about what development means. You are the average of the 5 people you spend the most time with, I would prefer my kid be around the most high end athletes, competing and failing as much as possible in practice. 36 games of 13 minutes of ice per game, vs practicing against the best kids for 4+ hours per week , means 7 times the amount of reps vs skilled players. I think it makes sense to be on a super team earlier on and as the years go on, the bottom 3 players switch to middle pack teams and make the age group more competitive. Being on a s.hit team with bad coaching when they are young is the worst thing for development.
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Guest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 12:46 pm you have no clue about what development means. You are the average of the 5 people you spend the most time with, I would prefer my kid be around the most high end athletes, competing and failing as much as possible in practice. 36 games of 13 minutes of ice per game, vs practicing against the best kids for 4+ hours per week , means 7 times the amount of reps vs skilled players. I think it makes sense to be on a super team earlier on and as the years go on, the bottom 3 players switch to middle pack teams and make the age group more competitive. Being on a s.hit team with bad coaching when they are young is the worst thing for development.
You are what the problem is for minor hockey these days. Quite frankly your attitude and actions are selfish. The idea will not have non super teams have bad coaching/development. The idea is equal coaching/development and ice time. Your kid (if he is the best) will have a chance to “lead” his/her team. This skill way more important than so called practicing with the best. You don’t get it yet, give yourself a few more years you will.
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Guest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 12:46 pm you have no clue about what development means. You are the average of the 5 people you spend the most time with, I would prefer my kid be around the most high end athletes, competing and failing as much as possible in practice. 36 games of 13 minutes of ice per game, vs practicing against the best kids for 4+ hours per week , means 7 times the amount of reps vs skilled players. I think it makes sense to be on a super team earlier on and as the years go on, the bottom 3 players switch to middle pack teams and make the age group more competitive. Being on a s.hit team with bad coaching when they are young is the worst thing for development.
If you are strictly speaking the odds then you should know this -

“After studying professional athletes born in different cities in the USA and Canada, we found cities with populations between 50,000 and 100,000 present the best odds of producing elite athletes in hockey, basketball, baseball, and golf,” says Dr. Côté.

This is counter super team. As a former professional athlete I can tell you this is the case for most sports, and I could tell you why , but you may not care for that :)
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